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Author: | lambhen [ Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Sammyluo messaging with aok |
For your amusement. I decided there wasn't that much to gain from continuing this, and also maxmurin blew my cover in town square, so I stopped. aok: hey sammy i'm about to claim to be gay knights with you i hope you're mafia me: how do I know you're actually SK? aok: no way of knowing at this point if I were town I would be telling other townies that your responses indicate that you're mafia-ish maybe you're town and you've already told other townies that I'm messaging you I think claiming gay knight is pretty reasonable play for mafia in a high gay knight game me: [shrug] go for it aok: I do show up positive for the kill, of course I'm worried at this point that I might drag you down with me I could claim mafia used a frame power I could pull it off maybe me: eh aok: should I fake claim gay knight now? Quickly, please me: I think the situation is kind of hopeless claim and I'll deny it and create some amusement? like, it's pretty clear it was an SK kill, so frame is unlikely yeah just go for it, have some fun aok: I think if you defend me I'll survive me: eh, too late aok: 80% sure me: sorry, I thought it was too risky aok: Fair enough I know nothing of value Consider proxying priests Fake proxying priests Don't be scared to fake claim gay knights in the future me: thanks RIP aok: Not enough people changed votes, probably me: nice |
Author: | lambhen [ Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
(All of the above was written by Sammy and PMed to Gods. We are very amused.) --jamb |
Author: | lambhen [ Sun Apr 17, 2016 3:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
More from sammyluo: Also, I just realized that mafia has 3 uses of frame (?!!!), which is kinda maybe yeah way OP with ajliu I wrote: Amanda Liu Yo Do you have a summary of game so far Sammy Luo 3:21pm Sammy Luo Sure, I can summarize to you in person in a bit Amanda Liu 3:22pm Amanda Liu Im on beast kitchwn lounge Btw I'm angela And I've been inactive So welp Direct me Sammy Luo 3:27pm Sammy Luo Rip Did you reveal to Ksedlar? Amanda Liu 3:28pm Amanda Liu No i was out of town Sammy Luo 3:29pm Sammy Luo Oh darn Did you not stalk anyone? Amanda Liu 3:30pm Amanda Liu I only stalked fmajluf on day 1 Srz Who do you think i should stalk tmrw From brief perusal of fora, i want lucy Sammy Luo 3:30pm Sammy Luo Uh Idk We'll discuss stalking today Wait this is bad Amanda Liu 3:30pm Amanda Liu Ya Sammy Luo 3:31pm Sammy Luo I need to convey to gcsn that Angela exists Without giving away who it is Amanda Liu 3:31pm Amanda Liu Yes Yes Sammy Luo 3:32pm Sammy Luo Two yeses? Amanda Liu 3:45pm Amanda Liu To each of those msgs Sammy Luo 3:46pm Sammy Luo How do I do this? How about I post on the gcsn communication thread "Breaking news: Angela is alive and well. I do not confirm or deny that I got this info from the gcsn. If so, I am still awaiting other information on stalker reporting. If not, gcsn should take this announcement into account. Wait this is bad because you're the only one who didn't act. Amanda Liu 4:05pm Amanda Liu Ok at this point its obv its me Sammy Luo 4:06pm Sammy Luo Uh or that it's dead Don't panic Amanda Liu 4:07pm Amanda Liu Uh Well Like It's known i was outta town and that i'd confide in you Sammy Luo 4:07pm Sammy Luo True Amanda Liu 4:07pm Amanda Liu So like Might as well use me as bait And give me a medkit or something Sammy Luo 4:08pm Sammy Luo No Amanda Liu 4:08pm Amanda Liu Does that work for set a trap Sammy Luo 4:08pm Sammy Luo Medkits don't exist.. M Amanda Liu 4:08pm Amanda Liu Rip How about You get me in touch with someone you think ksedlar trusts Is that too risky Or i can just act alone... Sammy Luo 4:10pm Sammy Luo Um Don't do anything rash I'll get in touch with whoever the gcsn uses to proxy I don't think the conclusions change much Either way almost certainly one of the other three stalkers is mafia Should I post saying "also, gcsn, I have info I need to tell you" Or is that too obvious? with maxmurin I wrote: Sammy Luo Wow a mysterious group investigator tongue emoticon Max Murin 3:51pm Max Murin >.> Sammy Luo 3:52pm Sammy Luo Shh You should've asked me to proxy. I have a large proxy network set up. Max Murin 3:53pm Max Murin how often do people "proxy" for themselves anyway Sammy Luo 3:53pm Sammy Luo It's not uncommon But a lot less common than the alternative You should have me proxy from now on If I remain alive You could make it seem like a priest trigger Without saying anything else publicly Max Murin 3:55pm Max Murin this seems unlikely to work Sammy Luo 3:55pm Sammy Luo What do you mean? Max Murin 3:56pm Max Murin since the people on my sinners list wouldhave just happened to be the six people with the sketchiest alibis afterward Sammy Luo 3:56pm Sammy Luo Oh yeah Sorry I'm dumb Ok, idk Max Murin 3:56pm Max Murin also "don't choose people who volunteer themselves to proxy" Sammy Luo 3:57pm Sammy Luo Also uh True Sammy Luo 3:57pm Sammy Luo Sammy Luo 3:57pm Sammy Luo Unless they already know your role Max Murin 3:57pm Max Murin except you already know my role so it doesn't really matter yeah Sammy Luo 3:57pm Sammy Luo Sammy Luo 3:58pm Sammy Luo Ok just don't die like emoticon Max Murin 3:58pm Max Murin ok wait what is a proxy network Sammy Luo 3:59pm Sammy Luo I've claimed an investigative role to n people and am ready to distribute investigation results among all of them Max Murin 3:59pm Max Murin oh man Sammy Luo 3:59pm Sammy Luo Yeah Max Murin 3:59pm Max Murin that's pretty classy i think my second choice of proxy was to claim that another person had sent a decrementing message a la Jakob in the mystery mafia game Sammy Luo 4:01pm Sammy Luo Meh Tsims feels kind of sketchy Max Murin 4:03pm Max Murin why? Sammy Luo 4:04pm Sammy Luo Bad math Anxiety Max Murin 4:04pm Max Murin do you think it's purposefully bad math? Sammy Luo 4:04pm Sammy Luo Unclear I asked if he thought Jakob was sketchy He said "not especially, I'd give him 65% being town" Max Murin 4:05pm Max Murin hm Sammy Luo 4:05pm Sammy Luo I.e. more than twice as sketchy as average squint emoticon Max Murin 4:06pm Max Murin that's pretty funny actually more BADMATH how likely is it that the killer at the party used a frame on someone else at the party? if so, it's possible that the total investigation hits both Sammy Luo 4:12pm Sammy Luo It's possible Max Murin 4:14pm Max Murin is it worth noting on the fora and/or worrying about Sammy Luo 4:16pm Sammy Luo I'll post in a bit Max Murin 4:16pm Max Murin thanks Sammy Luo 4:25pm Sammy Luo oh, I just realized that mafia had 3 uses of frame, and this is... pretty OP. Max Murin 4:26pm Max Murin three?!?! oh shit that makes this scenario actually worth worrying about then how many MTPs? Sammy Luo 4:27pm Sammy Luo 1 Max Murin 4:27pm Max Murin well at least that's reasonable _________________ ...But then again, I'm a near-rookie, so I'm provably wrong |
Author: | lambhen [ Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Sammy to nastya: -------------- Seemingly against my own advice, I'm going to give you this list (to compare with your own thoughts on who to investigate). You should, of course, definitely decide on your own. In order from most to least likely, among the six "guilty"s: 1) tsims (acted anxious after the group investigation, also used unreliable NP Shi-ke as an alibi) 2) jakob (reported present in the kitchen and suspicious by csvoss) 3) Alex (no posted alibi so far, known to be at the party) 4) csvoss (specifically present in the kitchen) 5) isaacg (claims to have been in the lounge with other players probably, relatively trusted for other reasons) 6) Lucy (stalked, stalker seems at least as convincing as the others, claims to have been in the lounge with other player(s) probably) EDIT: Actually, switch tsims and jakob on there. |
Author: | dylanhen [ Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
sammyluo and fmajluf7's conversation: fmajluf7 wrote: Hi sammy, I was sent by the network to communicate with you as their proxy. Message: To answer your question, Angela was the only one to not reveal. What information do you have? Francesca sammyluo wrote: Someone has revealed to me as Angela, with a credible reason for not having revealed and not having stalked on days 2 and 3. Shall I pass you the identity of this person? Given the existence of 4 stalkers, I strongly suspect one of them is mafia, so it's good that you know all 4. fmajluf7 wrote: The gcn say yes, please. sammyluo wrote: Wow, you have sufficiently good signal to get round trip communication with the gcn within 3 minutes? Uhh, I'd like some greater degree of confirmation to know this is safe, though I'm not sure how. fmajluf7 is kind of a likely conscription target, and I'm worried about a breach of security here. fmajluf7 wrote: What sort of confirmation would you like? I was given full power to make decisions because they are all busy. This is more of a reply to sammy first, tell them after. sammyluo wrote: OK, that makes sense (but is kind of sketchy/dangerous). I'm not sure how I could get confirmation. Can you provide me with a bit indicating whether my role is one of the ones known to the GCSN? (1 if "yes," 0 if "no," else say "I don't know") fmajluf7 wrote: Yes. sammyluo wrote: Wow, some proxy OK, the person is ajliu. She was out of town and claims she didn't check fora. I find this believable. sammyluo wrote: Also, you might as well use me as your proxy to the public, to reduce exposure, I guess? |
Author: | ksedlar [ Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:02 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
I really love Sammy's entire set of interactions here. Nothing slips by him. Mafia need to do something about him fast. |
Author: | lambhen [ Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
++ Sammy, you are the best - thank you so much for sharing this popcorn with us. So far you have been the most consistent player about cc:ing us or forwarding to us --jamb |
Author: | ksedlar [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 2:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Sammy Luo I think that either you're actually part of the network itself, or really strange and sketchy things are going on. Franchi Majluf 9:19pm Franchi Majluf Read my pm and tell me the answer fast. No comment. You are also a tad sketchy Sammy Luo 9:20pm Sammy Luo Interesting Um, 1 per stalker Why am I a tad sketchy? (I thought things felt sketchy because you told me something as "Gcn says this" and then retracted to say that they had given you "full authority to make decisions"; also, you claimed to know my role) Franchi Majluf 9:24pm Franchi Majluf Because of all the questions you ask. I guess you can also be just super careful. I was trying to confuse you as to whether I am part of the network or not. Sammy Luo 9:33pm Sammy Luo Sure. I mean, you are a relatively likely conscription target Franchi Majluf 9:33pm Franchi Majluf Well, I wasn't. Do you really think there wouldn't be any other kills if I had compromised the network? Sammy Luo 9:34pm Sammy Luo Haha good point like emoticon Franchi Majluf 9:35pm Franchi Majluf Also tsims is the lynch target the network establishes, and ajliu has to stalk dgrazian. We are still deciding on the other 3. I mean they, oops lol Sammy Luo 9:36pm Sammy Luo Sammy Luo 9:41pm Sammy Luo Should I announce now? Franchi Majluf 9:42pm Franchi Majluf Yes please Sammy Luo 9:48pm Sammy Luo Done I pmed Amanda her stalk Franchi Majluf 9:48pm Franchi Majluf Cool Franchi Majluf 9:57pm Franchi Majluf Yuno has to stalk jakob (hehehe), Raye penbar has to stalk Lucy. Angela has to stalk dgrazian. Still deciding on Jack. Message to town: tsims is still worth investigating Sammy Luo 10:02pm Sammy Luo I'm confused about ltchin making a regular investigation and then a group one Franchi Majluf 10:17pm Franchi Majluf Okay, Jack is to stalk nastya. Post stalker results now. Sammy Luo 10:21pm Sammy Luo Ok Franchi Majluf 10:21pm Franchi Majluf Also Tsims role reveal Should Sammy Luo 10:23pm Sammy Luo He's a vigilante He claims Actually, we could have him make a kill? Franchi Majluf 10:25pm Franchi Majluf Too easy to fake as mafia.. Let's see what everyone else says. Sammy Luo 10:27pm Sammy Luo No, he can't make another kill if he's mafia And doesn't have traps set Franchi Majluf 10:28pm Franchi Majluf Scheme Sammy Luo 10:28pm Sammy Luo Make him kill someone else sketchy? Scheme has to be person who hasn't killed today So pick him a target Quickly Let me know you're discussing it, please? Franchi Majluf 10:34pm Franchi Majluf Yes We are Sammy Luo 10:34pm Sammy Luo Cool Franchi Majluf 10:37pm Franchi Majluf We decided to still lynch him. No kill. Sammy Luo 10:37pm Sammy Luo Why? That seems strange Franchi Majluf 10:38pm Franchi Majluf Because there's no time to have more useful role claims More than one person believes vigilante is not as useful Sammy Luo 10:38pm Sammy Luo But if he makes a kill We have an hour to decide And we prove his innocence And thus know someone else is guilty He suggested jessk as someone sketchy What are you guys doing? Franchi Majluf 10:40pm Franchi Majluf I'm telling them what you just said They really want him lynched. Sammy Luo 10:40pm Sammy Luo That's stupid You can have him lynched after he fails to make a vig kill Franchi Majluf 10:41pm Franchi Majluf I told them. Also, not jessk Sammy Luo 10:41pm Sammy Luo Ok Franchi Majluf 10:41pm Franchi Majluf If he sees jakob, sure, but not jessk Yet this is not the official ruling Sammy Luo 10:41pm Sammy Luo Wait, you want him to vig kill Jakob? I. E. Kmli? Franchi Majluf 10:42pm Franchi Majluf But this is me only Lol Sammy Luo 10:42pm Sammy Luo Ok Wow is bureaucracy always so slow Franchi Majluf 10:44pm Franchi Majluf People are not replying to me. There's a divide, but the clear majority before was no kill, lynch tsims Sammy Luo 10:45pm Sammy Luo But this is really stupid How do you have enough ICS to have a divide?? Should I let town decide? Idk Tell me something Franchi Majluf 10:47pm Franchi Majluf Er They are not replying Yes, we have a good number Sammy Luo 10:47pm Sammy Luo You gave them my reasoning, right? Franchi Majluf 10:47pm Franchi Majluf Of both ics and gk Yes Sammy Luo 10:47pm Sammy Luo ? Franchi Majluf 10:47pm Franchi Majluf Children and gay knights Sammy Luo 10:48pm Sammy Luo Ok, do you think it makes sense for him to vig kill? Franchi Majluf 10:48pm Franchi Majluf I think at this point in the night it's worth a try, but I am not allowed to oppose other gcs Like Sammy Luo 10:48pm Sammy Luo Ok Franchi Majluf 10:48pm Franchi Majluf To give an order Sammy Luo 10:48pm Sammy Luo I'm going to have him do it Ok? Franchi Majluf 10:49pm Franchi Majluf Wait they replied Sammy Luo 10:49pm Sammy Luo Ok Did you even check your ICS and guns? Quick! Franchi Majluf 10:50pm Franchi Majluf They say tell him to kill jakob. Sammy Luo 10:57pm Sammy Luo Done Franchi Majluf 10:58pm Franchi Majluf Well shot Shit* Can we shovel jakob? Sammy Luo 10:58pm Sammy Luo Uh, tsims will know if he's town Franchi Majluf 10:58pm Franchi Majluf Unless he's mafia. Sammy Luo 10:58pm Sammy Luo True Ok, if you want Franchi Majluf 10:59pm Franchi Majluf If they guessed jakob's or lilychen role yesterday, this is totally an option. Sammy Luo 10:59pm Sammy Luo True Also, I know Lucy didn't kill anyone, so either Isaac did or it's a frame? Franchi Majluf 11:02pm Franchi Majluf Or fudge investigator. Isaacg didn't do it. Sammy Luo 11:02pm Sammy Luo Ok Franchi Majluf 11:02pm Franchi Majluf I highly suspect tsims did it. Sammy Luo 11:02pm Sammy Luo So now chase ltchin's investigation chain? Franchi Majluf 11:02pm Franchi Majluf And dgrazian is mafia. Sammy Luo 11:03pm Sammy Luo Hmm Ok Franchi Majluf 11:03pm Franchi Majluf Yess Sammy Luo 11:03pm Sammy Luo Tsims says Jakob is mafia Franchi Majluf 11:03pm Franchi Majluf SUCCESS Unless hes lying But like, yaya Sammy Luo 11:03pm Sammy Luo Right Franchi Majluf 11:03pm Franchi Majluf If hes not I say we still lynch tsims.. Sammy Luo 11:04pm Sammy Luo Should we shovel Jakob? Franchi Majluf 11:04pm Franchi Majluf Do you have one? Don't make it public. Sammy Luo 11:04pm Sammy Luo Not me I can ask Andy Franchi Majluf 11:04pm Franchi Majluf Do you trust him..? Sammy Luo 11:04pm Sammy Luo Isn't he gn? Franchi Majluf 11:05pm Franchi Majluf Andytsai? Sammy Luo 11:05pm Sammy Luo Yeah Did you not know? Franchi Majluf 11:05pm Franchi Majluf Why would you say that? How do you know? Sammy Luo 11:05pm Sammy Luo He revealed to Amanda and me for no reason It was silly Franchi Majluf 11:06pm Franchi Majluf He didn't reveal to ksedlar. Sammy Luo 11:06pm Sammy Luo I know Alex did Franchi Majluf 11:06pm Franchi Majluf Alex did what? Sammy Luo 11:06pm Sammy Luo Revealed to Ksedlar Franchi Majluf 11:06pm Franchi Majluf No, he didn't either Sammy Luo 11:06pm Sammy Luo Oh word Weird Well, they claim to be And want to be connected But Alex is conscription bait Franchi Majluf 11:07pm Franchi Majluf They missed their chance unsure emoticon yeah. Okay let me see what they say Sammy Luo 11:08pm Sammy Luo About the shovel? Do I go get the shovel? Franchi Majluf 11:09pm Franchi Majluf If you can Don't draw sketchiness to yourself Also, I'm going to be busy at 11:30 so... Sammy Luo 11:10pm Sammy Luo Ok Sammy Luo 11:15pm Sammy Luo Also brainstorm more Lynch targets Sammy Luo 11:26pm Sammy Luo Are you sure Isaac could not have done it? Franchi Majluf 11:27pm Franchi Majluf Yes. Unless conscripted, which I doubt. Sammy Luo 11:27pm Sammy Luo Ok Still no shovel result Franchi Majluf 11:30pm Franchi Majluf Network says lynch tsims still Because of plant evidence Sammy Luo 11:32pm Sammy Luo Ok But that was a quick plant then Franchi Majluf 11:33pm Franchi Majluf They probably did it before tsims posted he was mafia (If guilty) Sammy Luo 11:33pm Sammy Luo Ok Should nastya still investigate tsims? Franchi Majluf 11:34pm Franchi Majluf I'd say yes Sammy Luo 11:34pm Sammy Luo Ok As opposed to like Isaac? Franchi Majluf 11:34pm Franchi Majluf Yes, def. Or you want to rule out Conscription? Sammy Luo 11:34pm Sammy Luo Yeah Franchi Majluf 11:34pm Franchi Majluf Er, sure Sammy Luo 11:34pm Sammy Luo Idk Franchi Majluf 11:35pm Franchi Majluf To convince town Sure Sammy Luo 11:35pm Sammy Luo She's leaning towards tsims I'll let her pick Franchi Majluf 11:36pm Franchi Majluf Yeah that is better Oh don't tell her I trust isaac Loke the network Sammy Luo 11:36pm Sammy Luo Yeah Also, who should I stalk? Franchi Majluf 11:40pm Franchi Majluf Oh geez Er Tuan? Who do you think? Sammy Luo 11:41pm Sammy Luo No idea You guys have all voted tsims, right? Franchi Majluf 11:41pm Franchi Majluf I hope lol Sammy Luo 11:44pm Sammy Luo I'll stalk csvoss Wait help Lucy says tsims killed lily What should nastya do? K she's checking Jakob Sammy Luo 11:53pm Sammy Luo Were either lily or Jakob known to the network? Franchi Majluf 11:56pm Franchi Majluf Lily Sammy Luo 11:56pm Sammy Luo Lily was known? Also should I shovel tsims or should nastya? What was lily? This is important! And should be made public! Franchi Majluf 12:00am Franchi Majluf Sorry, busy! Sammy Luo 12:15am Sammy Luo ? Sammy Luo 12:29am Sammy Luo Ok I got the shovel. Who should I pass it to? Sammy Luo 1:05am Sammy Luo are you free now? can you take the shovel from me? you should answer things so you don't look sketchy |
Author: | lambhen [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:11 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Title: [Popcorn] fmajluf7 is bad at keeping people's roles secret We just had an in person conversation (from me giving her my shovel). This is what I've gathered: achester - innocent ajliu - stalker Alex - GN? andytsai - GN? brunnerj - csvoss - innocent Daniel Grazian - stalker / mafia fmajluf7 - GN isaacg - innocent jessk - innocent jordanh - (mafia?) ltchin - IC? Lucy - maxmurin - GI Miranda Gavrin - nastya - nguyenin - GI sammyluo - sammyluo sashacf - ijc Josh Frisch aok - SK ksedlar - desperado lilychen - IC jakob - mafia (?) or GI tsims - vigilante (?) or mafia They have a forum! I feel like it's pretty likely at least one of the ICs or GN pairs is fake (ltchin would be my first guess, followed by Alex/andy). I'm not going to publicly announce the news about lilychen being IC until the rest of the network confirms to fmajluf7 that I should. Hopefully there's no security breach... |
Author: | lambhen [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Lol sammyluo so OP, at this point the network might as well just add him in, he's got enough role info. Sammy should maybe actually consider that it's not good for him to have this much info, since he could be conscripted later? |
Author: | lilychen [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
I hope Francesca at least realizes how much information she's leaking to Sammy... |
Author: | ksedlar [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:50 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Francesca does, and she's worried about it. fmajluf7 wrote: Also also, sammy noted pesto's "us"... he knows a lot. Sammy is figuring out all our identities. I trust him but am terrified. Thoughts? I think what the GCSN wants to do is set up a "if Sammy is still alive by X day, lynch him" type of thing. Sammy is clearly being really active and getting a lot of info funneled through him, so it should be obvious that mafia want to conscript or kill him. Him not dying after a few days is thus sketchy. |
Author: | lambhen [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 10:51 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Yeah, I guess my point is not that they should kill him if they think he's been conscripted, it's that they should kill him before he's conscripted so all this info doesnt leak. |
Author: | ksedlar [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 11:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Maybe. In general though people over-estimate the likelihood of a particular person getting conscripted, and I don't think it's worth killing Sammy now for the chance that conscription hasn't been used (it usually has been by this point) and that mafia want to use it on Sammy. Especially because Sammy has seemed pretty psychologically innocent and has been doing useful stuff. Given the fact that he seems innocent, they should use the metric of how much sketchiness him still being alive adds to him over time. As of now, I don't think it's THAT weird he's alive, given that he only started being the proxy yesterday, after the day's kill. |
Author: | lambhen [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Sammy again, wondering how right he is: ------------------------- to fmajluf7 I wrote: assuming the network is all legit, this game has, of 26 players: 3 starting mafia, 1 SK, 3-4 stalkers, 3 ICs, 6 GNs, 2-3 investigators, 2-3 GIs, 2 desperadoes, 1-2 priests, 1-2 vigs. which is believable minus jfrisch and ijc, who we just have no clue, the remaining roles are: 3 starting mafia, 1 SK, 3 stalkers, 3 ICs, 6 GNs, 2 investigators, 2 GIs, 2 desperadoes, 1 priest, 1 vig or switch a vig and a GI My first list should have been 3 stalkers, 3-4 ICs. again I wrote: OK, I've reduced to this tentative conclusion: Assuming the network and Alex/andytsai are legit, the currently alive players should be: 2 starting mafia, 3 stalkers, 2 ICs, 6 GNs, 2 investigators, 2 GIs, 1 desperado, 1 priest If this seems unreasonable, one of your GN pairs is probably fake. |
Author: | lambhen [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Answer: what the fuck sammy, how did you get all of that??? Did I miss something major? You are EXACTLY RIGHT about roles once we remove jfrisch/ijc. Your currently alive players list is also spot on. Also, nastya is claiming vigilante, so if you actually have a good reason for knowing there are no living vigilantes as opposed to just guessing, you could catch her for that. --jamb |
Author: | lilychen [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Sammyluo OP |
Author: | ksedlar [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 6:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Oh, I missed posting part of Sammyluo's chat with maxmurin yesterday (he sent it over facebook, which I didn't check until today): Sammy Luo 5:29pm Sammy Luo hmm max, tricky situation Max Murin 5:29pm Max Murin ? Sammy Luo 5:30pm Sammy Luo so, I have been made aware that Angela is in fact in existence Max Murin 5:30pm Max Murin oh dear what is this person doing Sammy Luo 5:31pm Sammy Luo being inactive, or being mafia I am not sure whether this person managed to become connected to the GCSN and am not sure how to report this person to the GCSN without endangering them Max Murin 5:33pm Max Murin you know of their existence separately from the GCSN? hmm do you know the specific person? if you do, you can perhaps use their activity in other facets/whether they are new to judge how likely they are to simply be clueless and not scummy Sammy Luo 5:35pm Sammy Luo yes, I know Max Murin 5:36pm Max Murin ok Sammy Luo 5:36pm Sammy Luo I'm just not sure how to convey this info to GCSN so they don't come to false conclusions about the rest of the stalkers Max Murin 5:36pm Max Murin oh i see wait what do you mean by false conclusions? Sammy Luo 5:37pm Sammy Luo like, angela being alive/possibly real affects the probability that none of the other three stalkers are mafia Max Murin 5:37pm Max Murin oh i parsed that as "convey this to the GCSN in such a way that they don't come to false conclusions" Sammy Luo 5:38pm Sammy Luo ah Max Murin 5:39pm Max Murin brb Sammy Luo 5:39pm Sammy Luo hmm, should I post on the GCSN communication thread saying "I have info I need to convey to GCSN before they answer my previous question, please pick a proxy earlyish and have them pm me" Max Murin 5:40pm Max Murin brb parents calling Sammy Luo 5:40pm Sammy Luo ok Max Murin 5:40pm Max Murin sorry i already said brb and i forgot and it sounds like i'm being passive aggressive Sammy Luo 5:40pm Sammy Luo haha no Max Murin 5:58pm Max Murin sorry i'm being silly alright hmm what happens if two people contact you? in that case Sammy Luo 6:04pm Sammy Luo That'd be strange Max Murin 6:04pm Max Murin hm i guess this is a good way to communicate with the network, but only assuming that the GCSN is actually on top of things Sammy Luo 6:06pm Sammy Luo Yeah Max Murin 6:06pm Max Murin how reasonable is this? one of the ICs need to see it. there are about 2 or 3 of those (maybe), and about 1/2-2/3 of game is on top of things, so this is about 75% to 96% chance of working? that's incredibly rough estimates Sammy Luo 6:08pm Sammy Luo Hmm ok Worth Max Murin 6:08pm Max Murin that seems good Sammy Luo 6:08pm Sammy Luo I'll post that then. Max Murin 6:09pm Max Murin plus potentially telling the mafia about an inactive stalker is the worst case, and it's not even that bad Sammy Luo 6:09pm Sammy Luo Yeah, true Max Murin 6:09pm Max Murin and in the case that Angela is mafia, they learn nothing by false-proxying to you this is actually totally worth should I send our conversation to ksedlar for graveyard posterity? Sammy Luo 6:12pm Sammy Luo I already sent part of it tongue emoticon Max Murin 6:12pm Max Murin nice le Sammy Luo 6:12pm Sammy Luo Up to the complaints about too much frame You can send the rest |
Author: | ksedlar [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 7:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Also, at this point I'm about ready to conclude that Sammy is just a magic all-knowing Oracle. |
Author: | jakob [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Sammy now predicts that isaac was a hitman kill. |
Author: | lambhen [ Mon Apr 18, 2016 8:35 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
I mean, if sammy already knows everything, then he knows all the mafia are being stalked, so of course it has to be a hitman kill --jamb (Btw I keep forgetting to sign stuff and having to go back and edit - if it's in GY and posted by lambhen it's probably me.) |
Author: | ksedlar [ Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:40 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Quote from a conversation Sammy and fmajluf7 had yesterday: Francesca: WOW GENIUS INVESTIGATOR I'd def kill my lover They don't call me spider for no reason I ate his heart in the process |
Author: | sammyluo [ Fri Apr 22, 2016 12:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
lambhen wrote: Answer: what the fuck sammy, how did you get all of that??? Did I miss something major? You are EXACTLY RIGHT about roles once we remove jfrisch/ijc. Your currently alive players list is also spot on. Also, nastya is claiming vigilante, so if you actually have a good reason for knowing there are no living vigilantes as opposed to just guessing, you could catch her for that. --jamb I knew all the ICs, GNs, stalkers (modulo one of them being mafia), GIs, and tsims/jakob. That was everyone except 5 people (nastya, jordanh, brunnerj, sashacf, Miranda Gavrin). The exact correctness from then on is a bit coincidental. I expected most of the investigations to be legit, and I saw brunnerj and sashacf on the alibis sheet a lot so assumed they were the investigators for Lucy and Alex. Then someone claimed investigator to ltchin, which I assumed was a desperado, and there was that weird thing with csvoss that I assumed to be a priest. Then there's a mafia. I think if I'd been added to the innocence den before being conscripted into the mafia den, I'd have noticed nastya's vig claim and thought to vig test her much sooner than achester suggested it. Incidentally, mechanically speaking, I think there was nothing making me more sketchy than achester (besides the whole shovel thing that happened while I was town anyway). Neither of us made any kills. It was pure psychology and logic |
Author: | sammyluo [ Sat Apr 23, 2016 12:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Oh, here's one that you guys missed (because it was in the same PM as one of the fmajluf7 ones). Prepended some stuff from earlier days, too. tsims and I wrote: Taylor Sims
You should investigate jakob His alibi is mildly sketchy Sammy Luo 4/15, 11:50pm Sammy Luo Hmm, I'll think about it (assuming I can investigate today) Where does he claim to have been? Taylor Sims 4/15, 11:51pm Taylor Sims Andrea and ksedlar said he was around the kill site around the time of the party Sammy Luo 4/15, 11:52pm Sammy Luo I saw him on floorpi around 10:58 Taylor Sims 4/15, 11:52pm Taylor Sims And I hadn't really seem him in between him getting there ~10 minutes ago and when he left my room for the second time Sammy Luo 4/16, 12:26am Sammy Luo Was Jakob actually around the party for kill 2? Taylor Sims 4/16, 12:33am Taylor Sims Yeah he's been here April 16 Sammy Luo 4/16, 7:59pm Sammy Luo Are you messaging mafia? tongue emoticon Taylor Sims 4/16, 8:00pm Taylor Sims lol no I'm playing a game cuz this meeting is mildly boring Sammy Luo 4/16, 8:00pm Sammy Luo Whoops Taylor Sims 4/16, 8:08pm Taylor Sims Jakob knows where in going, if I die it was him April 16 Taylor Sims 4/16, 11:30pm Taylor Sims Are you coming? Sammy Luo 4/16, 11:30pm Sammy Luo no, I decided not to. RIP too socially awkward Taylor Sims 4/16, 11:31pm Taylor Sims frown emoticon If you're not coming because mafia, that's a bad reason Sammy Luo 4/16, 11:33pm Sammy Luo No, don't worry, it's not for mafia reasons. I guess I'm feeling not energetic enough to socialize, and also [REDACTED] Taylor Sims 4/16, 11:33pm Taylor Sims Ah Sammy Luo 4/16, 11:34pm Sammy Luo I think comfort with such things will come with time. Taylor Sims 4/16, 11:34pm Taylor Sims Yeah, time solves many problem Sammy Luo 4/16, 11:34pm Sammy Luo true like emoticon now go and try not to get killed tongue emoticon Sunday Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:16pm Sammy Luo What do you mean with the Venn diagram thing? Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:18pm Taylor Sims Like, investigator a chooses me, you, jakob, dgrazian, and cvoss, leaving out lucy B chooses lucy, me, you, jakobz and cvoss, leaving out dgrazian if the first was positive Idk maybe that's dumb? Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:18pm Sammy Luo Isn't this equivalent to just investigating Lucy? Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:18pm Taylor Sims I guess Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:19pm Sammy Luo Like picking half the group seems more efficient Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:19pm Taylor Sims We could also switch 2 And then we have a 50/50 Idk Logic is hard Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:19pm Sammy Luo Haha Think of it as information theory? We have a set of 6 that contains a positive Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:20pm Taylor Sims Oh that makes it much better, thanks Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:20pm Sammy Luo Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:21pm Sammy Luo We need just log_2 6 bits to find it Wait I agree, math is hard Also How good are you at telling when Jakob is lying? Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:25pm Taylor Sims I am unsure Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:25pm Sammy Luo I used to be rather good at this but obviously it's not my job anymore :') Ok, hmm But he doesn't seem especially sketchy? Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:26pm Taylor Sims Not especially Id give a ~65% probability he's town Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:28pm Sammy Luo Ok, so that means he's slightly more than twice as sketchy as average? Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:28pm Taylor Sims No Idk Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:29pm Sammy Luo Haha rip Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:29pm Taylor Sims What is the average I guess its 4/27? Or 4/25 Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:29pm Sammy Luo 4/alive Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:30pm Taylor Sims He would make a good conscript target, so slightly sketchier than average? But I don't think he's been that sketxhy Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:30pm Sammy Luo Ok Makes sense, thanks Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:31pm Taylor Sims How sketchy do I seem? Lok lol Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:31pm Sammy Luo Uh You seemed fine in person Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:31pm Taylor Sims Lol ok Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:31pm Sammy Luo But you sounded a bit anxious while talking about the info theory Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:32pm Taylor Sims lol its too reminicient of Shannon entropy in 8.044 #triggered Sammy Luo 4/17, 3:33pm Sammy Luo Ah I see I've *triggered* your trap card Taylor Sims 4/17, 3:33pm Taylor Sims stahp Sunday Sammy Luo 4/17, 9:55pm Sammy Luo Tsims, you should defend yourself. Taylor Sims 10:19pm Taylor Sims I mean, what can I do? At this point, I was near(ish) the site of the kill, there's a 1/3 chance of the group investigation having me be the killer tbh the only thing I can really do is role reveal and hope someone investigates me as innocent before day end Sammy Luo 10:20pm Sammy Luo Yeah Taylor Sims 10:21pm Taylor Sims I mean, I'll role reveal to you if that'll make me feel better s/me/you Sammy Luo 10:22pm Sammy Luo Ok do it Taylor Sims 10:23pm Taylor Sims I'm a vigilante Sammy Luo 10:23pm Sammy Luo That's not very provably innocent... Taylor Sims 10:24pm Taylor Sims Nope But that's my role Sammy Luo 10:24pm Sammy Luo Actually, if you made a kill today... Taylor Sims 10:24pm Taylor Sims If all of the roles were probably innocent, what would be the point? Also, have you noticed how jessk has been waaayyyy less active than normal? Sammy Luo 10:29pm Sammy Luo You can prove your innocence by killing someone the network tells you to kill Because scheme has to be someone who hasn't killed today Taylor Sims 10:30pm Taylor Sims Ok Won't this just get me killed tomorrow using set a trap? Sammy Luo 10:30pm Sammy Luo That's ok It's better than getting lynched Taylor Sims 10:30pm Taylor Sims what does the gcn Say Sammy Luo 10:31pm Sammy Luo I'm waiting Taylor Sims 10:32pm Taylor Sims Idk If I have a ton of time to like find people in random or go to ET so I hope they respond quickly Taylor Sims 10:41pm Taylor Sims Anything? Sammy Luo 10:42pm Sammy Luo Still discussing... Taylor Sims 10:42pm Taylor Sims Ok Not much time left Sammy Luo 10:42pm Sammy Luo Uh so far they kind of want you to kill Jakob Not decided Taylor Sims 10:43pm Taylor Sims His body double is kmli, right? Sammy Luo 10:43pm Sammy Luo Yeah Taylor Sims 10:43pm Taylor Sims Ok lmk soon plz I have a sleepover I'm late for Sammy Luo 10:44pm Sammy Luo Sorry Taylor Sims 10:50pm Taylor Sims Should I go to floorpi now, or? Sammy Luo 10:50pm Sammy Luo Yes Kill Jakob He's in kitchen Rip Come Sammy Luo 10:57pm Sammy Luo Tell us whether he was Mafia Taylor Sims 10:58pm Taylor Sims God's haven't messaged me back Sammy Luo 10:58pm Sammy Luo Ok Have fun at your sleepover Let town know when results appear Taylor Sims 10:58pm Taylor Sims I'll probably still be somewhat active; I have my phone and sjit Sammy Luo 10:59pm Sammy Luo Cool Taylor Sims 10:59pm Taylor Sims yeah hopefully they'll post soon? Sammy Luo 10:59pm Sammy Luo They did Did they give an innocence result? Taylor Sims 11:02pm Taylor Sims He was lol Sammy Luo 11:03pm Sammy Luo He was what? Taylor Sims 11:03pm Taylor Sims Mafoa Sammy Luo 11:03pm Sammy Luo Wow Taylor Sims 11:03pm Taylor Sims lol Sammy Luo 11:03pm Sammy Luo Post to town Taylor Sims 11:03pm Taylor Sims Thank you RNGsus I did Sammy Luo 11:04pm Sammy Luo Cool I'm sorry, I still feel bad for this Taylor Sims 11:05pm Taylor Sims lol Sammy Luo 11:06pm Sammy Luo I know I couldn't make myself kill Jakob in person... Taylor Sims 11:08pm Taylor Sims Oh I could Sammy Luo 11:08pm Sammy Luo Well, you're a different person Taylor Sims 11:08pm Taylor Sims true Sammy Luo 11:08pm Sammy Luo Probably more suited for Jakob's personality, honestly tongue emoticon like emoticon (Let me know if talking about such things feels awkward) Taylor Sims 11:09pm Taylor Sims Nah it's chill I also got a shovel Sammy Luo 11:13pm Sammy Luo Me too Let me do it Taylor Sims 11:13pm Taylor Sims K Sammy Luo 11:13pm Sammy Luo So we have independent confirmation Taylor Sims 11:13pm Taylor Sims Should I give the shovel to someone else? Sammy Luo 11:13pm Sammy Luo Do you have Ksedlar's shovel? Um Taylor Sims 11:13pm Taylor Sims So that it isn't his killer that shovels him? That could be sketch It's shovel 4 Sammy Luo 11:14pm Sammy Luo Yeah Sammy Luo 11:38pm Sammy Luo You're probably still getting lynched. Any parting words? Taylor Sims 11:43pm Taylor Sims I'm glad I killed a mafia Sammy Luo 11:43pm Sammy Luo Sammy Luo 11:43pm Sammy Luo Your name will go down in history Sammy Luo 11:58pm Sammy Luo Who do you think killed lily? Best guess Taylor Sims 11:59pm Taylor Sims Dgrazian Lucy was pdrunk But she could done it Sammy Luo 11:59pm Sammy Luo Ok Lucy was being stalked Other possibilities? Oops you should've posted on town square rather than telling me |
Author: | sammyluo [ Sat Apr 23, 2016 1:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Oh upon reflection I guess this is also relevant. I'm amused that I suspected csvoss as GN here but for completely wrong reasons, then asked for priest confirmation that jakob did not kill ijc (which would have implicated someone else, i.e. tsims or nastya): sammyluo wrote: Subject: Investigations csvoss wrote: I am proxying for Tellurium and Xenon. Tellurium claims that ksedlar did not kill ijc. Xenon claims that Jakob did not kill ijc. Is this a gay knight investigation? I find it pretty unlikely that two investigators concurrently decided to proxy through you. Obviously you should not tell me right now if it is, but if so you (or the gay knight you're proxying for) should reveal at some point today before dying of heartbreak so we know these investigations are infallible and so that you can organize a trust network. csvoss wrote: This is my first game of this, so I'm kind of confused. What is a gay knight investigation? How do trust networks work? sammyluo wrote: No problem. When a gay knight's lover dies, they get to make 2 investigations on their lover's death (and these are infallible, unlike most investigations). The idea is that a dying gay knight can be treated as a trusted innocent person, and so if everyone who can prove their innocence mechanically reveals to this dying gay knight, a trust network can be set up consisting of these innocent people, without letting other people know who's in this network. I only asked because I thought it was highly unusual for two different people to pick you as their proxy on the same day, and I would doubt that we have that many investigators. csvoss wrote: Ohhh, okay. I thought that you were implying some kind of chain by which I was a proxy for a gay knight and that gay knight couple had itself received two proxy requests (but there are many similar such trust constructions, so I wasn't sure which one). I'll keep this game concept in mind, though. sammyluo wrote: Actually, could you check with your investigator whether they're actually a priest? If so, it'll be useful to know that jakob *actually* didn't make a kill on ijc (rather than being don or using manipulate the press to fool investigations)
(I'm thinking of this now because the number of investigators really doesn't make sense if you were proxying two separate people) |
Author: | lambhen [ Sun Apr 24, 2016 2:04 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
Hmm, I think it would've been pretty worth it for priests to reveal to ksedlar. Not because they're provably innocent, but because their results are much more important than investigation results, and ksedlar could've set them up with one trusted proxy (who wouldn't need to disclose their identities to the rest of the network) (or maybe two in case one dies) so that this extra info would've been conveyed. That said, maybe it's a flaw in the new roles that so many different roles are worth revealing to a trust network... |
Author: | jakob [ Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
If enough roles all reveal to ksedlar, ksedlar becomes a reasonable conscription target again. |
Author: | ksedlar [ Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:43 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
The problem with conscripting me was that I was known to be around two players until day end. Also I had all of a few minutes to do anything with the role information I got. |
Author: | jakob [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
I mean, I could've when I went outside the room in the LARP to see where you'd gotten to. |
Author: | lambhen [ Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Sammyluo messaging with aok |
I think that IF jakob hadn't been mafia, conscripting ksedlar would've been a good move. (Assuming someone could sneak into the LARP and do it without jakob/Miranda noticing.) She could've killed one of the people at the LARP (thus making the other look really bad) to extend day for an hour and thus have time to get all the info to mafia. (Actually, she could've extended it another two hours beyond that by trapping / slaughtering a couple people, though this would've made it really obvious she was conscripted.) |
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