Live Action Mafia

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 Post subject: New Mayor?
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:48 pm 
Are we going to elect a new mayor? I'd like to see dgrazian, mchang, or myself become mayor.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:22 pm 
I nominate myself. I'm sure that aok seconds my nomination for mayor.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:29 pm 
[What is Copyright]

Friends, Randomites, countrymen, lend me your ears;
I come to bury Ermain, not to praise her.
The evil that [wo]men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones;
So let it be with Ermain. The noble Dalton
Hath told you Ermain was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Ermain answer'd it.
Here, under leave of Dalton and the rest -
For Dalton is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men -
Come I to speak in Ermain's funeral.
She was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Dalton says he was ambitious;
And Dalton is an honourable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Random
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Ermain seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Ermain hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Dalton says he was ambitious;
And Dalton is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Dalton says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Dalton spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Ermain,
And I must pause till it come back to me.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:50 pm 
I love you forever shikachu!
Now that that's out of the way, I'm not sure if I would recommend dgrazian for mayor. At this point his conscription is either about to or has already happened, and the mayor's ability to count the Mafia is one of the only ways we have to detect this.
If we really want to have him as mayor we need the prophet to check him after a reasonable delay.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:53 pm 
The mafia cannot conscript Daniel (or mchang) until tomorrow.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:59 pm 
I would like to run for mayor and would like my friend JB Parkes to run for Police Officer. There will be petitions in Black Hole kitchen if anyone wants to sign them.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:00 pm 
I would avoid voting for dgrazian. I feel that Mafia would get him conscripted sooner or later.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:30 pm 
First of all, you can be basically positive that I am innocent right now. Dalton is publicly mafia. If I were mafia, there would be no reason whatsoever to throw Dalton under the bus like that.

Therefore, I was innocent when the whole thing with Dalton erupted this afternoon. And there would be no reason for me to lie about Dalton trying to kill me.

Therefore, you can be sure that Dalton did indeed try to kill me earlier today.

Therefore, I am immune to killing and conscription today.

So, you can be sure that this post is coming from Daniel the Townsperson, not the hypothetical Daniel the Conscript.

It is possible that I will be conscripted. But I probably won't be. Someone else will probably be conscripted for one reason or another. There are lots of people in the game and lots of reasons to conscript. It will be difficult to predict how and when the mafia will use the ability, and we should accept the fact that the mafia will be able to do some damage with it. We shouldn't be so paranoid about it, except in extreme cases.

Consider the following situation. Imagine that there are six confirmed or nearly-confirmed innocents. We are best off, especially for the next week or so, treating them as nearly-confirmed innocents. At worst, the mafia conscript one of those 5 people. Then a small fraction of the information and trust that we give them is betrayed to the mafia. But this is better than not trusting them at all and thereby wasting the huge resource that nearly-confirmed innocents provide. The mafia can only conscript 1 person.

Don't trust X just because X might be conscripted is, I think, almost always a bad idea.

With all that said, I would be a reasonable person to use the prophet on in a week or so, if I am still alive. So would, say, Alex Arkhipov.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:35 pm 
The fact that your numbers don't match up proves that you are mafia. You clearly considered yourself one of the six nearly confirmed innocent people, but not one of the 5 people who could be conscripted.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:53 pm 
I'd sign the petition for dgrazian to become mayor (in fact, didn't we already have one going?)


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:07 pm 
I would also sign a petition for dgrazian, with the caveat that we should use the prophet on him at some point.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:10 pm 
Is there a petition? Where is it?


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:23 pm 
I have petitions in Black Hole Lounge. Feel free to come by to sign them!

Right now, I'm studying for a 6.034 test tomorrow morning.


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 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:23 pm 
++petition for dgrazian


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 10:21 pm 
How is my petition doing? I will consider any signatures as oaths of fealty. Prove the worth of your friendship and sign!


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