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 Post subject: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:43 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:50 pm 

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So, at least one of the following is true:
Lucy is mafia.
Lucy's investigator is mafia.
Sammyluo (who shoveled jakob) is mafia.
Plant evidence was used on jakob.
Frame was used on tsims.

That is, either a power was used or there's a three-way beef between living players.


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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:52 pm 
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Given the weirdness of this whole situation, it's still good to kill tsims i think.

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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:01 pm 
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Tsims last words are he's glad he killed a mafia, and he thinks dgrazian is the most likely killer of lily

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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:02 pm 
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Plant evidence couldn't fool a vigilante

There's more to this thought but someone else can complete it

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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:04 pm 

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I have a shovel, which I can use to check tsims. We would know what is true.

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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:05 pm 
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That sounds like a good use of a shovel.


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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:09 pm 

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You should send it to the GCSN to use.


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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:11 pm 

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If jakob was mafia (and tsims wasn't), then either nastya is mafia or manipulate the press was used, and either Lucy's investigator (or Lucy) is mafia and frame was used.

If tsims was mafia (and jakob wasn't), then either sammyluo is mafia or plant evidence was used, and either sammyluo was mafia (to kill jakob instead of having tsims do it) or tsims made two kills (so the mafia had some source of role information, when there shouldn't be any source but us) or someone other than tsims and jakob made the kill of Lily Chen.

That is, every scenario requires at least two of (mafia power used, living player is bad), unless sammyluo was bad, which requires no power uses or other living mafia. He also kept the shovel that called jakob guilty for himself instead of letting the GCSN use it.

The GCSN should maybe be wary of sammyluo?


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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:17 pm 

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achester wrote:
You should send it to the GCSN to use.


I agree and I can give my shovel to GCSN. If GCSN have someone with a shovel they should use it as soon as possible, and if they don't have one, I can give mine to them. pm me if shovel is needed or use a proxy to arrange meeting location.

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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:18 pm 
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Sorry, I wanted to rush to get the shovel result before mafia could plant evidence. You can investigate tsims or me for Jakob if you want to confirm that a mafia power has been used overall. I'm not sure it's that worth it.

I agree that GCSN should be wary of me, as of anyone else.

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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:20 pm 

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Ok, if GCSN doesn't claim shovel in next 10 min, I'll use it myslef.

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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:22 pm 
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Doesn't this just act to expose gcsn to nastya? I think nastya can just use it herself.

(Note: I'm sitting next to nastya as I write this)

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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:23 pm 

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Couldn't she pass the shovel through you to the GCSN?


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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:24 pm 
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Yes, she can, but I thought the point was to avoid having to depend on me in this thing?

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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:27 pm 
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achester wrote:
If jakob was mafia (and tsims wasn't), then either nastya is mafia or manipulate the press was used, and either Lucy's investigator (or Lucy) is mafia and frame was used.

It could also be that someone other than Jakob or tsims killed lily, which means nastya could be good and mtp could have been not used

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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:28 pm 

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If she claims to pass a shovel through you to the GCSN and the GCSN doesn't get it, they could pick another proxy to call you bad. Either way, we spend a shovel and check whether you're bad, but if you're good and the shovel gets used, we get slightly more reliable information from having the GCSN shovel than from having nastya do so, and if you're bad, we get more reliable evidence of that if you fail to pass the shovel along than if we have to interpret shovel evidence from outside the GCSN.


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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:29 pm 

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True; I forgot that case.


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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:29 pm 

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I passed shovel to sammyluo.

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 Post subject: Re: Tsims killed lily
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:39 pm 
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Also, I had a stalker today. They can post if I killed Jakob.

Oh yeah BTW GCSN says all four stalkers revealed, Angela was just being inactive. Not sure I said this in the other thread

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